258. Sibling supersnow from previous post

This little bit of black magic is the sibling of the supersnow shown in post 257. Therefore same parents and same weight. Only difference is 2 days extra incubation with hatch being yesterday lunch time 6th May 2012. goes by the name of Olympiad.

257. More supersnow in Lowestoft.

Yes we are doing quite well for supersows this year. Below is Olympic who hatched out last Friday 4th May. That was after a 49 day incubation period. Another small babe at 1 gram which will rtequire a bit of attention to get established. The parents are Fanta and Slurm. Also the sibling egg hatched into another supersnow yesterday 6th May.

256. Lowestoft Afghan ayslum seeker commits bigamy for third time in 12 months

Yes our naughty little pure bred Afghanicus Leo Kabul has entered into another relationship. The evidence is caught on camera below. He is the dark wild type with the typical rugged Afghanicus markings. He came to us at great expense from PACHERP back in 2010 via the September Hamm show. Next to him is Cumbria who would probably be described as a hi-yellow. Kabul's previous pairings have produced some very attractive and raw looking wild types which we have had absolutely no problem selling to eager buyers.

255. Meet the parents (35) for the 2012 breeding season

We are trying to chubb up as many of our young female Leos, and Fatsos, as we can in the next few weeks to meet our 55 gram minimum breeding weight before we hit the height of summer and the willingness to breed diminishes. Below is another female we have put with our red stripe hope Dinkum who we have introduced on a previous post. The female is Revel who is a fairly plain Jane hypo. Bearing in mind that producing red stripes is a bit of a hit or miss, and more luck than judgement affair we are hoping this speculative pairing might move some of Dinkums redness onto any offspring that results. So double fingers crossed on this one.

254. Meet the parents (34) for the 2012 breeding season

This is another pair of African fatsos we have brought together in the last couple of days to see if they can get it on. The male is the albino called Nelson who we have already paired with 3 females earlier in the season. That leaves the other one which is a plain banded wild type who goes by the name of Tunis. In this image she is in shed mode. Fatsos are not as easy to breed compared with Leopard geckos so fingers are crossed. That said it looks like we have got a couple of good eggs from a pairing made by Nelson and another albino.

253. EHS club meeting 1st May 2012

EHS club meeting TUESDAY 1st MAY 2012

Welcome return of internationally renowned field herpetologist and author
STEPHEN SPAWLS
Who will be giving an illustrated talk on
THE DANGEROUS SNAKES OF AFRICA
Free entry for members, donation from non members
Royal British Legion, Aylsham Road, Norwich 8PM

252. First plain Jane Mack Snow of the 2012 season.

This babe is literally fresh out of the egg. Checked the incubator at lunch today(17/04/2012)and she/he wasn't there. probably a female, bearing in mind the low temperature of incubation and its lengthy period. However, checking again at about 16:30 and we were greeted by this charming little babe. Parents are Slurm and Fanta who produced us Microfiche the supersnow last month. Incubation at 29 degrees celcius for this Leo took 52 days and hatch weight was 3 gram. In keeping with our olympic theme we have named him/her javelin. Sibling egg looks in fair condition so fingers are crossed for another hatch soon.

251. Yippe we are past 250 blogger posts.

Time to crack open a bottle of bubbly as we pass the quarter of a grand post barrier?

250. We hope broken hides is not a fore warning of broken eggs?

Just got a mail order delivery of 6 exo terra medium hides and some other goods. As you can see in the image with this post 4 of the hides are broken as the packing was pretty ropey. The stockist has agreed to replace them so no problem there. Lets hope it is not a bad omen similar to the one at Aintree last Saturday when Synchronised threw AP Mckoy off the saddle before the race.

249. Latest Gecko olympian

In celebration of the olympics being staged in Blighty for the first time since 1948, we shall this year mostly be choosing the names for our 2012 babes from words associated with the Olympics. So far we have a Taekwondo. And now we have a Discus (below) who high jumped out of the egg yesterday (10/04/2012). She is the sibling of the babe in post 248. So an extra days incubation and weight was 2 gram.

248. Easter egg hatch

This little one gram wonder chipped her way out of the egg this morning (09/04/2012). Must be a Tremper sunglow as both the proud parents (Currant bun & Helios) are sunglows. Incubation took 51 days. Given her the name Taekwondo. The sibling egg looks viable so fingers are crossed for another quick hatch.

247. Its fortnightly weigh in.

It's Saturday and fortnightly weigh day. Hoping that one or two of our virgin females will have got to the Lowestoft Leopard Geckos standard breeding weight of 55 grams. If so we will be pairing up with some of our males that are current lying about on their bellies and twidling their thumbs. Time for them to earn a living.

246. Where are they now?

Always nice to find out how our hatchlings got on after they moved on to new homes. Here is a link to a current piccy of Uno, so called as she was our first hatchling of the 2011 season. Even If i do say so my self a definite quality uptown girl http://www.reptileforums.co.uk/forums/lizard-classifieds/832085-leopard-geckos-1-3-four.html

245. First UK reptile show of the year

BRITISH REPTILE & AMPHIBIAN SOCIETY

Are pleased to announce their Reptile Meeting
TO BE HELD AT A NEW LOCATION.
Saturday 12th May 2012
AT
Castle Green Sports Centre
Gale Street
Dagenham, Essex
RM9 4UN
Café on site
Doors Open 10am to 3pm.
Featuring over 100+ Tables.
You Do Not Have To Be a Member to Book a Table OR Attend the Show
Private Breeders Selling Captive Bred Livestock
Commercial Traders Selling Live foods & Equipment
Ample Free Car Parking For All.
Entry Fees £2-50 Adults. Children £1.00.For Information on Table Availability
E-Mail bras-show@talktalk.net

244. Meet the parents (33) for the 2012 breeding season.

We have just (03/04/2012) paired up these two African fatsos to see if they can produce some nice offspring. The normal wild type stripe is Tulu whom we obtained from Worcester morphs back in Autumn 2009. She is a bit dimunitive, so we have been reluctant to breed her in previous years. However, we have now come to the conclusion that she is now as big as she will get, and just naturally small, hence safe to breed. The male is Nelson a proven albino stripe who has been featured in earlier posts.

243. Meet the parents (32) for the 2012 breeding season.

Just recently got Bingo, the normal with a hint broad striping, up to breeding weight and paired her up with Dinkum the lighter coloured one in the photo. He has red shading in him and we are hoping he can combine this with Bingos' bold patterns in any offspring produced. Both of these Leos are from our own breeding stock.

242. Introducing Thimble

This 1/2 gram tiny tot was found hatched out Sunday morn 12/03/2012 and is our second hatch this season. Also second miracle in a week as just like the hatch a few days earlier the egg it came out of was completely knackered. Parents are Currant bun and Helios both being Tremper sunglows, so same for this babe. Hatch period was 48 days.

241. Meet the parents (31) for the 2012 breeding season

Here we have two of our African fat tails that we have just paired up. The lighter shaded fatty is Nelson Mandala who we have had for nearly three and a half years. The female is Polokwane who we obtained as a 12 gram pup at the June 2010 Doncaster show. Her name came from on of the venues used at the 2010 world cup in South Africa. We always try and give our fattys an African name. Nelson is proven and we had 6 babies from his pairing with Winnie in 2010. Sadly, though some eggs were produced, we drew a blank with him and Winnie last year. For sure it is not quite as easy breeding fattys compared to Leos.

240. Meet the parents (30) for the 2012 breeding season

Here is a piccy of a couple more Leos we have paired up this afternoon. The supersnow (black and white)is Fantasia who is from our own produced offspring. She is seen here with Slurm a Mack Bell who we got from Phil of Slurms geckos (Hatfield)at the Essex show in Chelmsford last September (2011). We already have a supersnow offspring, earlier in the week, from one of Slurms earlier pairings. So possibly a few more if these two can foster a sincere and loving relationship based on trust. lol!

239. 0.1 gram miracle hatchling sets the ball rolling for 2012 season.

0.1 gram is what it says on our scales for this babe which is one reason to call it a miracle. Second reason is because the egg it came out of was one of the most mankeyish and wankeyish we have had, being dented, creased, and all shrivelled up. There was lots of fluid left behind in the egg explaining the small mal nurished babe that emerge with its cord trailing behind. Having hatched last night (5th March 2012) it has survived overnight and looks in good form this morning, so fingers are crossed. Calling her/him Microfiche on account of size. Parents are Slurm (Mack Bell) and Fanta (Mack Tremper we think) and incubation period was 48 days in a SIM's box.

238. Meet the parents (29) for the 2012 breeding season.

Max Plancks latest pairing is show here which also marks the conclusion of phase 1 of this years breeding program. Phase 2 will consist of pairing revisits where females are showing no sign of being gravid. Also the pairing of novice female breeders and chunky (i.e. 55+ gram) early season 2011 hatches. As for the female in this piccy she goes by the name of Serena a very attractive Tremper. We got her off a Danish breeder at the Hamm show back in March 2010. We did breed her last year and got quite a few eggs from her but they completely flat from her trampling on them. Hoping for much better things this year as we are sure she could produce some corker babies.

237. leopard Geckos available March 2012

We have just updated the available Leos on my website. Stock is getting pretty low with just 8 hatches from 2011 remaining available and probably just another couple to add. Normally I like to keep a stock of at least 20 all year round so buyers have a good selection so fingers are double crossed for some babies next week. Our available page link/address is below.
http://cms.website-start.de/​app/13967915/584831602/

236. EHS monthly meetings

Following the Norwich Royal British Legion's (RBL) rising from the ashe's, Pheonix style, EHS monthly meetings are now back on at the Norwich RBL club at Alysham Road. March meeting is Tuesday 6th March 8 PM

235. Lucky 13?

Two eggs from Petula this morning takes our tally up to 13 for the 2012 season and we are on red alert today for more eggs on account that the weather is extremely mild and forecast to reach 17 celcius in some parts of the UK. For those holding on to their eggs today is the day we might get them. To date for this season we have 5 females that have now produced eggs. Sadly quite a lot have been infertile or poor qaulity.

234, EHS norwich show details for breeders

PRIVATE BREEDERS’ REPTILE SHOW
TO BE HELD SUN. 8th JULY 2012
ST. WALSTAN HALL at THE NORFOLK SHOWGROUND
DEREHAM RD. COSTESSEY NR5 0TT
AND OPEN FROM 10.30am ‘TILL 3.30pm.
Setting up from 8.30 am

233. Meet the parents (28) for the 2012 breeding season

Its that cheeky chap Max Planck once more. This time with Micra, so named as she registered 1 gram at hatch in 2010. If we recall correctly she may be het for Diablo Blanco to go with her APTOR visual wares. This is Maxies penultimate girlfriend for phase 1 of the 2012 breeding season. He might get a crack at some of our chubby juveniles later on in the season if they reach our minimum breeding weight requirement (55 gram.)

232. EHS Norwich show 8th July 2012

Our local reptile club is the EHS and are pleased to announce. Table booking forms for the EHS Norwich show 8th July are now available and being emailed to previous exhibitors. Any body else interested in running a table can obtain one by contacting EHS club chair Colin Ware via
myindigo@ntlworld.com

Just to add tables are 6ft x 2ft and £20 per table. So pretty cheap and a must for local breeders or anybody offering reptile products in the Norfolk, Suffolk, Cambs, Lincolnshire and Essex locale. i.e. cheapest publicity you will get to promote your animals or products and your own personal charm so that when local yokels want something you have got they will remember you.

231. Meet the parents(27) for the 2012 breeding season

Yet again our chief slapper Max Planck the Diablo Blanco has been cavorting and sowing his seeds amongst the girls. this time he is caught on camera with Jungle rock. Her name is on account of her Jungle pattern at hatch. She looks a bit more like what some would call a RAPTOR stripe as the adult she is now. What with these two both having solid red eyes (eclipse) and her patterning we are hoping for some really nice offspring.

230. We are into double figures

Courtousy of 2 eggs from Currant bun our female Tremper sunglow which we collected this morning our egg count for the 2012 breeding season is now 11. We were expecting a few more by now as we have a shed full of girls that are heavily gravid but have been on strike due to very cold weather over the past couple of weeks. Hopefully with increasing daylight and a milder outlook for the weather egg production will pickup as we march toward March.

229. Meet the parents (26) for the 2012 breeding season

Another snap of Max Planck our Diablo Blanco. As you can see he has got yet another girlfriend in the form of Scarlett who is a RAPTOR with have had a few years now. Hopefully we should get some nice red eyed babies from these two.

228. 2012 breeding season update on the update

Sorry its 8 eggs we have which sounds better apart from the fact half of them look no good. Tell you what this breeding lark is not as easy as some people make it out.

227. 2012 breeding season update

six eggs in the incubator, dropped one so thats no good? Tweo more look like slugs. Weather is freezing cold and our girls have gone on strike so refusing to lay. So particularly frustrated at the moment and praying for a thaw.

226. Kind person makes us a photo album

Blimey these days it seems there is always somebody out there on the www knicking your intellectual property rights. Just noticed that some kind soul free of charge has collected all my Leo images and put them into a album for me at
http://en.topictures.com/​lowestoft%20leopard%20geckos/​4#Google

Init nice of them lol. Shame they have only done 8 pages to date

225. Meet the parents (25) for the 2012 breeding season

Blimey not that cheeky chappie Max Planck at it again is it? Sure is. In this piccy he is alongside our classy Jungle Jane who is a Jungle Tremper eclipse with a fantabulous pair of A* red eyes. We have had her a few years now and she usually passes on her jungle looks to at least a couple of her offspring every year.

224. Meet the parents (24) for the 2012 breeding season

Down below is Max Planck with one of his latest girlfriends. Tell you what he ain't half been busy just recently with the mating game. The dark female, what you might called a midnight blizzard, is our paradox spotted Anya.

223. meet the parents (23) for the 2012 breeding season

Sitting pretty on this piccy with Helios is Lulu. She is not a sunglow but a hypo. Put these 2 together to see if we produce some brighter hypos. Lulu has been with for a few years now and was given to us for free. That ain't bad considering she is a great little breeder.

222. Meet the parents (22) for the 2012 breeding season

In this post are a Tremper sunglow pairing we have put together for this season. The smaller one is the male who we christened Helios. He is a relatively recent signing to our squad, coming from Jason Barnard at the November 2011 Doncaster show. For rhyming slang the female is called Currant bun and was one of Ray Hines offspring.

221. Meet he parents (21) for the 2012 breeding season

We have just this minute, well almost, put these two together. To the right is Kabul our male Afghanicus that we imported from PACHERP during 2010. On his left is our own bred Whoopi who is a nice raw looking wild type with some micro spotting and an interesting mix of colouration. God knows what they will produce us if they get it on.

220. Meet the parents (20) for the 2012 breeding season

Yet again it's Rob Roy below. This time round with Mackdonna his fourth girlfriend for the 2012 season. She is one of our own bred Mack snows we held back from late 2010 on account of her jungle patternation at hatch. We didn't breed her last year as being a late 2010 she was a wee bit to young.

219. meet the parents (19) for the 2012 breeding season

It's Rob Roy again but now shown with Marriet the Mack snow. We tried breeding her last year and held on and held on to her first clutch of eggs until they were very large and proved to be infertile. We are hoping that that experience and the recuperaration since may lead to better things this time round.

218. Meet the parents (18) for the 2012 breeding season

Here we have Rob Roy again but this time with Hazel, who has a short, but intact tail. We got her as a baby from the ARK who sold her to us as a Diablo Blanco back in 2009. As From what you see she didn't mature out that way as some colour developed in her over time. We now class her as a Mack RAPTOR. So if these two bred successfully we should get some nice babies.

217. Meet the parents (17) for the 2012 breeding season

In this piccy we are showing off Rob Roy and Maggie who are a pair from our Mack group. Maggie is the plain Mack Snow and came to us from Homegrown geckos back in 2009. Rob Roy was snapped up from a Maidstone breeder just before christmas 2010 and is a MACK RAPTOR. These two were together last year and produces us a fair number of supersnows and a couple of plain but nice Mack snows.

216 Meet the parents (16) for the 2012 breeding season

This is Einstein and Befi partaking in a bit of deep penetration this afternoon and immediately after they were put together. Einsteins background biography has been stated on earlier posts. Befi has been with us a few years and this is her third breeding season with us. These two did actually breed together last year and we got some superb coloured Bells from them with one exhibting a stunning broad stripe.

ein

215. Meet the parents (15) for the 2012 breeding season.

214. Meet the parents (14) for the 2012 breeding season.

This is Mohammad again with the second of his current three girlfriends. Should be no trouble spotting her as she is a hi-yellow in contrast to Mohammads debonair classical wild type coat of many colours. She goes by the name of Nell.

213 meet the parents (13) for the 2012 breeding season

These two fantablous specimens are both pure Macularius Macularius wild caught bloodlines. The big un is the male who goes by the name of Mohammad. He came to us via a breeder in Whaplode Drove Cambridgeshire, or is it Lincolnshire? That was in 2009. As you can see the female is a lot smaller. She is Benazir and was supplied to use by Steve Sykes.

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212. Shows at which we will be running a table at during 2012

We are pleased to announce that we will be attending the UK's first reptile show of 2012, and running a table, being organised by B.R.A.S. at Dagenham on SATURDAY 12th may 2012. YES SATURDAY! full details follow:

Castle Green Sports Centre
Gale Street
Dagenham, Essex
RM9 4UN
Café on site
Doors Open 10am to 3pm.
Featuring over 100+ Tables.
You Do Not Have To Be a Member to Book a Table OR Attend the Show
Private Breeders Selling Captive Bred Livestock
Commercial Traders Selling Live foods & Equipment
Ample Free Car Parking For All.

211. Meet the parents (12) for the 2011 breeding season

It's Max Planck, our Diablo Blanco, again. With him this time is our own bred Duchess who we had considered renaming Sarah Ferguson or Fergie on account of her being a bit of a porker. She is a RAPTOR so looking for this combination to produce us some red eyed stunners.

210 Meet the parents (11) for the 2012 breeding season

On this post we have Max Planck a Diablo Blanco that we obtained from the IHS Doncaster show September 2011. Not his best picture as he his in mid shed which might also account the mark on his nose. well its either from rubbing or from all that rutting he has been up to recently. With him is our own bred Diva who is a red eyed Tremper eclipse and also a very reliable breeder.

209. Meet the parents (10) for the 2012 breeding season

On this piccy we have got Demerara who is another of Isuzu's breeding partners for 2012. Again we are hoping for some interesting offspring.

208. Meet the parents (9) for the 2012 breeding season

These two bewts are Silveea (the one with the Morse code pattern) and Isuzu who has got some stunning patterns on his body,head and especially on the nose. Silveea was imported from Steves Sykes via Hamm and Houten in December just gone. Isuzu is a product of our breeding academy and the son of Fanta mentioned in early posts.Hoping for some synergy from their body patterns and bold striping in any offspring they produce.

207. Meet the parents (8) for the 2012 breeding season.

Meriva whose is girlfriend number 2 for Kabul is shown up above. She is the one with the very nice symmetrical head marking who is the reult of our own breeding program. once again hoping for some delicious Macularius Afghanicus leopard gecko crosses.

206.Meet the parents (7) for the 2012 breeding season

Latest pair on show below are Kabul a pure wild caught Afghanicius we imported from PACHERP back in 2010. The big girl alongside is Arosa who is one of our own bred Leos. Hoping for some nice Macularius Afghanicus crosses from this couple to help Kabul pay off some of his expensive transfer fee.

205. Meet the parents (6) for the 2012 breeding season

Following on from the previous post(204)we have here with Einstein another of his girlfriends who goes by the name of Topaz. She has a Bell base with stunning red eyes and possibly a hint of enigma in her genes. They were paired up at the finale of the 2011 breeding season and produced almost clones of the mother. Heres hoping for somemore this season.

204. Meet the parents (5) for the 2012 breeding season.

The photo below shows a couple of our Bell albinos paired for 2012. The male is Einstein who has a partial broad stripe that we imported from Steve Sykes in September 2010. The female with a regrown tail is Belletoni who we bought off Sazzle at the November 2010 Kidderminster show.

203. They're in the Box

As mentioned in post 203 our first eggs arrived yesterday are looking good and now neatly placed in our SIMs incubation box.

202. The eggs have landed!

Yippee in the last 30 minutes we have just harvested our first eggs of the year. They have been dropped by Fanta our Mack Tremper who has been tossing and turning in the egg box for the last couple of days. Fingers are crossed that they are fertile. Can vouch that one of them had a nice rosy red glow on one side indicating a healthy embryo. So if they are good eggs we are looking at an hatch ETA 42 to 60 days from now. We incubate at 28 celsius for female so most likely a 50 day plus incubation circa 8th March.

201 Meet the parents (4) for the 2012 breeding season.

This is Dallas mentioned on post 201 with another one of his recent girl friends who goes by the name of Patricia a plain Jane patternless. Plain she may be but she is a very reliable, dependable and prolific breeder. She lays in silly places and as you might be able to see is a nice pear shape at the rear end which always bodes well for female breeders.

200. Meet the parents(3) for the 2012 breeding season.

This pair is made up of Dallas the Broad stripe just entering shed and Poppy a hypo who carries some faint red stripe markings. We are hoping for some of the broad stripe and red tendency to show through on any offspring we may get.

199. Egg alert!

Looks like it is getting close to egg drop time for Fanta our Mack Tremper or maybe Phamtom. We have had the flirting and close liaison with Slurm the Mack Bell 22 December to 3rd Jan, then the isolation in her own maternity box, then a loss of appetite, then a shed and now she is in the egg lay box clawing and rearranging the perlite and moss. That usuallyy means eggs are on their way. Fingers crossed we don't have a cold snap to make her hold on.

198. Lust at first sight for Max Planck and Madame Curie

Certainly was and we didn't even have time to set the stopwatch as Max made an immediate B-line for Madame Curie and planted a big fat love bite on her as soon as he saw her. Guess she must be pumping out the lynx effect Pheromones by the bucket load.

197 Meet the parents (2) for the 2011 breeding season

We have just put this foursome together today. The whiteys are both Diablo Blancos. Comprising Max Planck and Madame Curie. Max is the smaller one. The darker Tremper is Ariane who we got from JMG at the March 2010 Hamm show. The box standard Tremper is Petula who is one of our own bred Leos.

196 Meet the parents for the 2011 breeding season

These two charmers are one of our breeding pairs for the 2011 season. Slurm a Mack Bell, the one with the yellow hue, is the male who we picked up from Phil AKA Slurms geckos at last Septembers Essex show. The Female is Fanta who we bought from Penfold at the 2009 ERAC show in Shenfield. She was labelled up as a Phantom, then we decided she was a Mack Tremper now we aren't sure. This is her third breeding season. W

e have paired her up with a Bell background male to try repeat some of the stunners she produced in 2010 when she was bred with a het Bell.

195. Passing of the Winter solistice brings the first salvo for the 2012 breeding season

So we are now on our way to more minutes and hours of daylight. For us that means we can start introducing the males to the females for breeding to commence. Accordingly we have today set up 5 RUBs with breeding pairs and one viv with a trio so that they can get familiar with each other.hopefully they will get very familiar with each other and produce us some eggs by the end of January. In the past we have had our first eggs by 22nd of January. Last year it was the first week of February. Fingers are crossed for good early eggs.

194. Houten show December 2011

We are running a table at the Houten show this Sunday (11th December 2011) we have so far prepared a good selection (31) of Leopard Geckos to put on sale from out table GG6. So saturday morning its off to Harwich to catch the morning ferry to the Hoek. Arriving there Saturday afternoon its on to Voerden for the hotel with an early morning rise to get into the show exhibition hall soon after the doors open.

193. New signing to breeding squad for 2012 season.

This is Goldust who joined us from Phil at Slurms geckos for an undisclosed fee at ERAC's September show. She has red/orange eyes and a Bell base so will go nicely together with our team captain Einstein who has broad stripe aspirations and has proved out to be carrying the red/orange eye gene. We are hoping they can get it on by mid breeding season.

192. Off season

Well folks not really much to write home about now the breeding season has ended. Main priority is to get all our females chunked up and fully fit for the 21st December when we will start putting our males into harems ready to start breading. We always do it this 21st December as it is the winter solistice and we are pretty convinced that Leos quickly pickup on the increasing daylight and the implication were haeding to summer. seems to work as we usually have our first eggs before the end of January.
In the next few posts and to keep the blog ticking over in the end of year lull we will post some piccy's of the latest additions to our 2012 breeding squad.

191. And then there was the final hatch of the season

This baby came out of our last good egg from this season on 24/09/2011. Think she is something in the order of our 116th baby produced this year. Parents are Arosa and Isuzu. Hatch weight was 3 gram after 49 days of incubation.

190. A pair of Mack snow's near seasons end

We have had Mack Trempers and supersnows but these are the only Mack snows from the 2011 breeding season. They hatched out 20th and 21st September after a 47 and 48 day incubation. Parents are the ever reliable Maggie and Rob Roy. Both hatched out weighing 3 gram. The piccy's below were taken 09/10/2011.